Creator of Tintin’s disturbing thoughts on women

Steven Spielberg’s “Adventures of Tintin” may have the best animation style I’ve ever seen in a kids’ film. It’s almost as if you can’t tell if the characters are real people or art. It’s spectacular.

But I guess Spielberg was so focused on the animation, he forgot about half of the kid population. There are so many males and so few females in this movie that I– even me– was blown away. If a Martian came to Earth and saw this film, she would think our species was the type that clones itself to reproduce. The movie even has two twin mustachioed investigators that would seem to support that hypothesis.

Like most kids movies, this is a buddy movie (can I say “friendship” movie?) The three buddies, the main characters in the film– Tintin, Captain Haddock, and Snowy the dog– are male.

All the villains are also male, the gangs of them. The good guys are male as well, almost to caricature as mentioned with the clone investigators.

For female roles, there is a housekeeper, an old lady that hits someone with her bag, and a third who my daughter spotted when I went to the women’s room. My daughter said she was a singer.

I know, I know: Tintin was a book before it was a movie. What’s Spielberg supposed to do about that? He’s just one director trying to be faithful to his inspiration.

Tintin was actually many books, and “Adventures” ended with a teaser that practically announced the next film.

And guess what, there’s a video game too.

Do you think there will be a Lego set?

Reel Girl gives “The Adventures of Tintin” an SS rating. In spite of its almost total lack of females, Tintin escapes the dreaded Triple S. The females in the movie don’t do anything terribly, stereotypically offensive such as talk about their hair or their boyfriends, though they don’t interact with each other at all and one is a housekeeper.

Update:

After I posted about the lack of females in the new Tintin movie, a commenter wrote in this quote from Herge: “For me, women have nothing to do in a world like Tintin’s, which is the realm of male friendship.”

I googled the quote and all kinds of references came up, this one from Wikipedia:

Hergé has also been accused of sexism, due to the almost complete lack of female characters in his books. The only woman character of importance is Bianca Castafiore, who is potrayed to be foolish and nearly oblivious to all negative reactions to her behaviour — though she does show loyalty, presence of mind and quick wit when hiding Tintin and Haddock from Colonel Sponsz in The Calculus Affair.

Hergé himself denied being a misogynist, saying that “for me, women have nothing to do in a world like Tintin’s, which is the realm of male friendship”.[10]

Other reasons were because he believed that sentimentality had little to do in Tintin’s stories, which are mainly about men getting into all sorts of “misadventures rather than adventures”, and wherein “mocking women would not be nice”. He also felt that a man slipping on a banana skin, providing he does not break a leg, is much funnier than if it happened to a woman. As a female interviewer put it, “It has nothing to do with the misogynist world of the boy scout,”[11] referring to the fact that Hergé was a scout in his youth.

OK, Herge denied being a misogynist and then says “women have no place in a world like Tintin’s.” Um, that is misogyny.

Wikipedia tells us: “Tintin’s stories, which are mainly about men getting into all sorts of ‘misadventures rather than adventures’, and wherein ‘mocking women would not be nice.’ ”

Maybe that isn’t the full quote. Maybe it’s not in right context, but as it stands, Herge implies that the only reason to include women would be to mock them? Is there no other reason to include female characters in a story?

“Other reasons were because he believed that sentimentality had little to do in Tintin’s stories…”

So including women requires sentimentality?

And slipping on a banana peel is funny if you’re a man but not a woman? What?

I don’t get it. All the ways the Wikipedia writers and Herge attempt to explain away his sexism are sexist. What do they think sexism is? Maybe they excuse Herge for similar reasons that Reel Girl rated “Tintin” with two SSs for gender stereotyping instead of three; there weren’t blatant offensive acts in the movie, so the movie didn’t get the worst rating. Females aren’t “mocked” because of their gender, they’re just not there.

The sick thing is that when you see “Tintin,” when it comes to women, you can tell there’s something off in the mind of the creator. The lack of females is glaring and weird and disturbing. And this is a movie for kids! Doesn’t Stephen Spielberg care? Don’t parents? When Spielberg shopped this film around to studios (maybe Spielberg doesn’t do that) did anyone say, “Interesting story, but there are no females in the entire series. That might be a problem for us. Half of kids, after all, are girls.”

I guess no one said that. Sadly, Tintin” is actually not disturbing to audiences, because most of the movies made for kids today have casts pretty much identical to this one, a series created by an artist who believes women have no place in his imaginary world.

Update:

I got this comment on my Tintin post from Neal:

Funny, my wife, daughters, son and parents didn’t notice this absence. They saw a film they enjoyed. As a reader of the original series I can tell that you’ll be disheartened to learn that this absence continues. Stop badgering Spielberg about this. You should be congratulating Kathleen Kennedy who is one of the producers and a long time collaborator of Spielbergs.

If Neal went to a film where the three main characters were female, all the heroes and all the villains were also female, do you think he might notice?

Sexism is so ingrained, people use it to defend sexism. Wow.

Update:

Commenters are defending the Tintin movie, writing that creator Herge’s sexism was simply a product of his times.

Margot, you are aware that Hergé wrote most of his comic books (including the three on which the film is based) before WWII, at a time when women in his home country of Belgium as in many others didn’t even have the right to vote? Of course his work reflects the prejudices of that era, not only towards women but towards just about everyone who wasn’t a white Christian male (the most egregious example being Tintin in the Congo)!

Would Steven Spielberg adapt Herge’s racist views (“of his times”) expressed in Tintin in the Congoto make a movie in 2012 and market that movie to kids?

Of course not. No one would see it. People would be horrified. Herge’s racist views are universally recognized as the aberration that they are. Why is Herge’s “dated” sexism celebrated in a loyal adaptation from one of our most acclaimed directors?

There are two answers, both are true. The first one is that in 2012 sexism is, in many ways, just as accepted and “normal” as it was in 1932. Women are humiliated and degraded all the time, but while racism is seen as a political issue, sexism is still seen as a “cultural” one.

The second, less controversial explanation is that in Herge’s comics, he directly degrades and humiliates Africans whereas his sexism mostly manifests as an omission. His racism is worse. Herge believes women have no place in his imaginary world. Is that offensive? Is it even sexist?

It’s an annihilation.

What is remarkable about this annihilation, and what I was writing about, is that it’s consistent with the casts of most animated movies made today. A story originally created by an artist who spoke openly of how he didn’t think females should be included in his imaginary world is almost indistinguishable from the majority of films made for kids right now. Steven Spielberg probably didn’t even notice.

What does that say about how important we think girls are?

See Reel Girl’s Gallery of Girls Gone Missing from Kids Films in 2011.

See statistics on the lack of females in animated films from the Geena Davis Insititute on Gender and Media.

58 thoughts on “Creator of Tintin’s disturbing thoughts on women

  1. Let me point out that in the original French version of the books, Snowy is named Milou, an androgynous name. It would seem as if the gender of Snowy was left to be ambiguous, until I realized that the name Milou was derived from Hergé’s first girlfriend. It is for this reason that I believe Snowy, arguably the character with the most screen time, is female. Just my POV on things :)

  2. Hi -

    I’ve noticed that many – not all – but many Spielberg films have a striking imbalance between male and female characters or portray women as cartoonish. I think this is in part because of the material he’s drawn to – e.g., WWII and Saving Private Ryan and I guess this Rin Tin Tin movie, which I haven’t seen. The movie of his that really jumped out at me and made me wonder about how he views women is Catch Me If You Can. The men in that movie were all flawed but ultimately likeable. The women in that movie – and there were a lot of them – were all awful. The women were either cold, manipulative, horrible people or complete idiots (remember the stewardesses guessing that planes flew at 50mph or something ridiculous like that). That movie got me to wondering about Speilberg because I was so offended by the movie. I don’t know if he is a misogynist, but I do think it’s safe to say that looking at his body of work that with the exception of The Color Purple, there are few compelling, memorable female characters in the large body of movies he has directed. Just scan the list of movies – it’s striking.

    • Hi Sarah,

      Totally agree. Also, I read many times that he didn’t want his wife, actress Kate Capshaw, to have a career and she complied.

      MM

    • You have evidently never read the Tintin books, or if you have you are a little dense and have misunderstood the premise. If you were to do so you would (probably) enjoy them – they have truly excellent plots and illustrations. This article does not take into account the fact that they are written primarily for the amusement of 5-14 year old males, and being of a different era it would have been unusual to say the least had there been loads of female characters. This article was petty and ill informed and not particularly well written.

  3. Hello,

    I found this site while looking for pictures of female characters in Tintin to send to a friend and stopped right there, a bit intrigued. I found your accusations very disturbing since they are absolutely false, on every single point (argumentation is weak based on lack of evidence, smoky understanding of basic concepts and lack of proper rethoric) your blog might attract people and comfort them in their prejudices. The ones I hear once in a while on Hergé’s Tintin, but also on the cosmic range of targets very often attacked by a small and vocal branch of the “feministic” movement. This perticular group applies labels of sexism or misoginiy in a hazardouss way, in a fashion I find dishonest. It looks as though, sometimes, they’re looking deliberately for opposition between sexes even when that’s not needed. Feminism, by definition should not be about definitive equality, but about inclusion of each sexes richness and acceptation of their fundamental differences.

    Tintin is a cartoon that started in a newspaper for boyscouts called Le Petit Vingtième. Hergé was a scout himself. Considering that this organisation is modeled after the army, it is safe to say that the first cartoons of Tintin did not reach the eyes of many little girls. The story tells the adventures of this fictitious reporter for Le Petit Vingtième in foreing countries. The world is seen through his eyes and is supposed to inform the readers about the culture of these countries and to entertain. In its true boyscout spirit Tintin preaches the values of fellowmanship and hardiness, Snowy the ones of cleaverness and faithfulness. Tintin, is believed to be somewhere between 12 and 14 years of age when the adventures starts. The fact that such a young boy would be travelling alone to the soviet union and experience a lot of “misadventures” that include fighting, handling guns, driving cars, tells a lot about the realism of Tintin. Hergé himself described his cartoons as “little drawings” not to be taken too seriously. Throughout the series, Tintin grows physically from a believed age 12 to an age 17-18 but will always keep the purity of his 12yr old boy scout mentality, in which he is estranged from physical attraction and sentimental involvement with women. Same goes to his relationship with alcohol, tobacco, drugs. For example, when Snowy drinks, he becomes clumsy and erratic and his owner always disaproves.

    Tintin, soon became popular, and with its first success came longer adventures. The first 2-3 ones in The Congo and The Soviets, were indeed under the influence of the “era”. The Soviets is a frontal critic of communism and bolshevism and The Congo depicts the tragic of colonisation through a succession of funny sketches. The view of the colony is, as it was in the Belgian news at the time, very reductive and fairly racist. The drawings made by Hergé at the time were indeed mocking the africans but this example confirms the rule. Back in the 1930′s, it was almost impossible to find a cartoon that was depicting black people in a respectful/truthful manner. A quick research on internet will prove to you that ridiculizing colour people in cartoons, advertising and propaganda was a common reality in the US until the the 1970′s. But like most of the endeering cartoons, such errors are to be corrected. Hergé had the chance to do it when in the 60′s he rewrote his first albums, making the characters less cartoonish, therefore less offensive. He also decide not to rewrite the Soviets which whas too violent and controversial to be remade. It is still edited for fans, mainly adults, in its original black and white form, but is not considered being one of the 22 official albums. Hergé quickly distanced himself from making political observations or critics by creating fictitious countries that would allow him more latitude. San Theodoros (South America), Borduria, Syldavia (Eastern Europe) and Khemed (Arab Peninsula). But sometimes he could’nt escape from presenting a country for it’s cultural purposes, like Tibet, Scotland, Peru or Malaysia, but he would not make further social comments. The friendship between Tintin and young chinese Tchang Tchong Jen (also friend with Hergé in real life!) and the respectul representation of the Tibetean people shows the humanism that inhabited Hergé. It is normal that as the phenomenon of Tintin would transcend borders, that it’s creator would be more cautious about the content of his work and its impact on the young readers. This also follows the general appreciation of human differences that, throughout the 20th century went from close secular nationalism to globalism. Times they are changing, so was Hergé’s world.

    “For the case of the Congo, just like for “Tintin in the land of the Soviets”, it is a fact that I was fed with the prejudices of the bourgois environment in which I was living in… It was in en 1930. I did not know this country that people described back in those days: “Niggers are big children, it’s a good thing that we (Belgians) are there!” etc. And I drew them, under those criterias, in the pure paternalist spirit that was Belgian’s spirit at the time. » -Hergé

    Since Tintin started as a boyscout reporter oriented an all male reading group, it is also safe to say that things improved gradually on the side of inclusion as well. The main characters are always at hands with politic groups, scientists, mobsters, in which, we will agree, women were virtually absent. Even if for a long time she was one of the few female characters of the serie, lady Castafiore is not at all a reductive representation of women. She is a strong, charismatic, spiritual and classy opera signer. At the beginning, she did annoy the captain (mainly because he was drunk) or snowy by singing so loudly that she would break glass, but Tintin always maintained a respetcful friendship with her. Again, with the 70′s, and the succes of the albums, Hergé had to adapt to a growing number of girls in his fanbase. The character became more and more present, and he dedicated an entire album to her. The Castafiore Emerald. Originally intended to be some sort of a Hitchcockian album, it turned out to be more of a Vaudeville or “théatre de Boulevard” kind of story. Lady Castafiore shows her feelings to captain Haddock who finds her annoying because of her Diva manneurisms. Inspite of this perticular relationship between them, Haddock always spoke highly of Castafiore, but only when she wasn’t around. He also defended her honour in the media, when she was held captive by General Tapioca in Tintin and the Picaros. At the moment of Hergé’s death, Bianca Castafiore had achieved what Haddock and Calculus had done previously, which is to generate, with the readers, such enthousiasm that an inseperable friend of the Tintin clan.

    When asked to produce a full lenght animation film, The Lake of Sharks, Hergé centered the plot around a little boy and a little girl, Niko and Noushka. Both equal in bravery, that would help Tintin in escaping from the evil Rastapopoulos. The film was a great success and contributed to include female characters, that young female readers could relate to.

    Before accusing Hergé of being mysoginist, let us understand that this term actually refers to the hatred of women in general. George Rémi married twice, and nothing ever translated hatred of women, neither in his life, nor in his work. Not to mention that many women worked at Hergé’s headquarters in Brussels and some of whom, like his main colourist Josette Baujot, were very good friends. This very example infirms the sexism allegations that would imply that one would discriminate women and consider them inferior. Hiring women amongst his top collaborators makes Hergé an example in the “field” of cartoon publishing which, in it’s golden age was known to be very exclusive to men. His female characters, although not very present, in the backgrounds explored by Tintin and his friends, always showed a wide variety of qualities or flaws. With characters like Castafiore, Hergé proves to be one that can impose a quality or a flaw no matter of what sex the character is. Not to mention that some cartoonist at the time, especially in america, would only present women through stereotyped bimbos and sexual fantasies (comics) or insipid beautys, saved from sin by a prince equal in purity (disney). Most of the women in Tintin, on the contrary are approached through work and treated as professionals. This is where I see a form of progressism.

    To finish with Hergé, I want to recommand you some of his other work, in perticular Jo Zette and Jocko. This trio of a young girl, a young boy and a chimp started in 1936 and went on until the 1960′s. 5 albums have been published, of adventures similar to the ones of Tintin, but where the main character is into a boy and a girl of equal stature, followed of course, by an astute pet, Jocko. It is going to be perfect for half of the kid’s population of the world! He didn’t forget about them after all!

    I mentioned earlier the boyscout beginnings of Tintin stories in which male friendship was the central theme. Considering that, it is understandable that we won’t find many female characters. But then why, oh why didn’t Spielberg add some of them so it would be more suitable to 2012 standards?

    One has to be aware of 2 things. 1. Spielberg is a fan. He was always one. After shooting Jaws, he met with Hergé a couple of times and discussed the prospect of a movie, and after Hergé’s death in 1982, he bought the rights of Tintin. The main obstacle to any project on the belgian hero, is that he is bound by contract to the descendence who are protector of Hergé’s heritage. 2. Following Hergé’s will, there is no more albums to be made, and Tintin must stay as it is, unchanged. During years and years, scripts went from Spielberg’s desk to Hergé’s widow, until she would approve that the character’s integrity and unicity would stay unchanged. Since Spielberg chose to adapt two of the “early Tintin” albums (the excellent serie of The Secret of the Unicorn, Red Rakham’s Treasure), there wont be many girls. Since Spielberg himself can’t do anything about it, I suggest you rely on the fact that the character of Tintin is very bland, and that a girl could easily relate to him. Psychologists and psychoanalysts have often underlined the secret of Tintin’s success. Being almost sexless, ageless, this character is what one want to make out of it. For the story, we have one of a little boy, fighting injustice, and solving mysteries without any need for recognition, money or any other motive than doing what’s good. And that is enough to bring any girl’s attention towards this character, because these qualities are to be found in humans regardless of their differences if we want a better world.

    As a general rule, we have to accept that Art, transfered to us from the past, cannot always meet our expectations especially when it comes to social values. Discarding children divertisement because they do not integrate enough characters of both sex is a superficial debate that does not bring anything good to anyone. There was always singularities in this type of field, things for boys, things for girls. Some please them, some dont… and some, like Tintin do meet the expectations of children, and adults for decades. If we give up on our past for this reason, I would expect you to condoemn Winnie the Pooh because they do not represent any female leaders or classics like Oliver Twist.

    MM

    P.S.: I’m sorry if sometimes I my sentences do not make sense or they are not well written, English is my second language, I discovered Tintin as a boy in my mother tongue, french, and still enjoy reopening these classic of “La Bande Dessinée” (cartoons), that we call in french, the Eighth Art.

      • All of this of course to say that you might be right on the presence of girls in animated movies… although I do not find this as being a legitimate issue (it might just be a coincidence). If this is the fault of anyone, it could be the producers, or the actual deographics interested in animated films. As for Tintin, Spielberg produced it entirely, he realized a lifelong dream, and a project that had started 20 years prior. The fact it was released in 2011 (the year animators turned against poor little girl), is irrelevent, does not help prove your point.

        You should bring forward numbers to back your thesis. As for Hergé, the example of Jo Zette and Jocko and many ones based on his personal life proves that you are absolutely wrong in your accusations. Hergé had a fantastic life and was an inspiration for young artists around the world, you should actually read his bio.

        Your “quick research on internet” to find quotes should be a bit more thorough next time you start attacking artists on their integrity. I can only hope that your disgraceful comments, in the lights of the informations I bring to you, will be removed from your blog.

        Accuracy should not be undermined to suit your opinions.

        MM

  4. I agree, the Tintin comics are incredibly sexist. Why would the alcoholic, captain character be a male? I think it’s an unfair portrayal.

    • Hi Frederik,

      The captain is a complex character. Males are allowed to be complex. I am not arguing that females come off as heroic all the time, but that females get to play the vast array of human characteristics that males do.

      MM

  5. hey ok listen here dude it is a animation movie for kids which kids enjoy the end no one cares if there are girls or not ok so just back off spielberg and then try to make a movie yourself then you can come back here and say whether it should have girls or not.

  6. Bianca is not foolish at all, if you watch the tv series or the two movies, she plays a role in saving Tintin and Haddock’s lives several times, not mentioning the fact that she’s a self made woman, internationally famous.

  7. While I understand the point of your article, I have to object to the misuse of the term “misogyny” as it delves into the realm of hyperbole. Lack of representation is not the same as hate. Even delving into Hergé’s reasons for not including women in the Tintin stories does not reveal someone who *hates* women. Sexism and misogyny, while closely linked, are not synonymous, and acting like they are makes it that much more difficult to have honest discussions about either one.

  8. And also, now that you’ve got me thinking about it (that’s not easy, by the way, I’m a middle aged white guy with money), I might point out that the original Lord of the Rings books were very light on female characters. But when Peter Jackson made the films, he added complex female characters. And that made the work better.

    • Sorry, but your comment on Lord of the Rings is absolutely nonsense.

      All the female characters in the films are also featured in the books in all their complexity (even more).
      What Peter Jackson really did, was dumbing down many main characters – especially the male ones. That may be the reason for you, that women seem to be more present.
      Certainly this action of Jackson didn’t make the work better, it rendered it far worse! Most complexity and deep background has gone for stupid Hollywood action and dwarf jokes.

  9. You are absolutely right. My 9 year old daughter’s last day of school is coming up, and some of the kids are coming dressed as Tintin characters. So she asked me what she could dress as. Not being a Tintin fan, I looked on the net and found this article. Guess she’s going as the dog :(

  10. Hi Margot,

    I clicked the link at the bottom of the post entitled, “See statistics on the lack of females in animated films from the Geena Davis Insititute on Gender and Media.” and I didn’t find the statistics helpful at all. Example: they’d say something like, “Males outnumber females 3 to 1 in family films.” But it doesn’t say what the criteria for family film is? Is it just G-Rated, PG, PG-13? Nor does it say how many movies they looked up? It also didn’t specify if these films include made-for-TV films or just theatrical releases. Are direct-to-DVD films included as well? This statement I quoted doesn’t seem credible because it doesn’t show the criteria they used to get that information.

    Another example: “Females are almost four times as likely as males to be shown in sexy attire. Further, females are nearly twice as likely as males to be shown with a diminutive waistline. Generally unrealistic figures are more likely to be seen on females than males.” This statement is too subjective to be considered credible research. “Sexy attire” varies from person to person. My last girlfriend thought wearing a shirt with the collar popped was sexy and funny. My current girlfriend does not find collar popped shirts sexy attire. Also, what’s the definition of “diminuitive waistline”? And the term, “generally unrealistic figures” is even more vague. Like I said, that part is too subjective to be considered objective research.

    Then there’s this third paragraph, “Females are also underrepresented behind the camera. Across 1,565 content creators, only 7% of directors, 13% of writers, and 20% of producers are female. This translates to 4.8 males working behind-the-scenes to every one female.” Does this statistic include people working in independent studios or just major studios? How many studios did they pull this from? Does this include television studios too? I need more info to believe this.

    I apologize for being longwinded, Margot. But I find this an interesting topic to discuss. I am just extremely skeptical about the statistics. They are either too subjective or don’t give me enough criteria to go on. Good research shows how long it took to compile the data, what type of people were interviewed, what criterias were used, who did the research, etc. The statistics from the Geena Davis Institute had none of this. In fact, I’d say the way they presented their research is grade school level professionalism.

    Sorry Margot, I’m not trying to hate. I just wanna get the facts straight.

  11. Margot, you keep saying, “Remarkably, Herge’s exclusion of female characters is pretty consistent with the casts of most kids movies made today.” But you have not given any examples to back up your claim. For example, how many kids movies produced by Hollywood in say 2010 and 2011 excluded female characters? Since you have been unable to point out that most kids movies produced in 2010 and 2011 exclude female characters, your argument doesn’t hold water. In fact, you cannot give concrete evidence to your argument that, “I am pointing out that currently, Hollywood doesn’t think girls are important at all, as evident by the making of Tintin.” You make definitive statements you cannot back up.

    • Hi Joey,

      Female characters are 16% of movies for kids. These stats are all over my blog. For other sources and more stats, look at the research by the Geena Davis Institute on Gender and Media.

      MM

  12. Anyone who sits there watching a film and counting the number of characters of each gender needs professional help. There are many great films which are mostly male or mostly female, and that’s often what makes them great. Grow up.

    • Hi Robert,
      “There are many great films which are mostly male or mostly female, and that’s often what makes them great.”
      I wish this were true but its not. Look at the Geena Davis Institute on gender and media stats.

      MM

  13. i seriously don’t get the point here.

    Spielberg left out women in tintin ? There are no women in tintin to begin with.

    Yes, I’m a guy and yes I’ve read/owned all the tintin comics since I was little. And perhaps Herge was a misogynist, the operative word here being ‘perhaps’.

    Leaving out women from a piece of fiction is hardly the definition of misogyny. I’m pretty sure every single dictionary in the world will back that up. There’s been plenty of works of art/literature with women as the central focus, of course that doesn’t mean that the authors were hardcore misandrists.

    I do understand your stance that there aren’t enough females in movies and I agree with the hypothesis. Although, to insinuate that Herge was somehow wrong for not having enough female characters is a pretty unfounded idea that flies in the face of poetic license.

    the concept of not having enough female characters in a piece of fiction ( whose intended audience was, I daresay, young boys to begin with, kinda like every other comic out there) is about as sexist as the concept of barbie having not nearly enough guy friends to even out the sex ratio.

    P.S. – I hope you don’t consider garfield or calvin and hobbes as sexist too.

  14. I agree with what you are saying. Me and my 9 year old niece were asking ourselves where are the women/girls? I understand that the original story did not contain a lot of females. So what?? I am sure that other novels/comics that have been adapted into movies had more than a few changes. They should of included just one relevant female. When the population is just over half female and its 2012 (not 1940), I think its a good time to start including females in more movies. So…good topic. Thanks!

  15. People like you make me ashamed to call myself a feminist. You aren’t helping anyone with your vitriolic comments.

      • You’re completely missing the point!
        If you want to address a lack of females in Tintin, fine, address that. But do it in the context of when Herge penned the original comics more than sixty years ago, at a time when women did not have the equality they do today.
        Spielburg’s film (and the hopeful sequels) are ADAPTATIONS, and rather faithful adaptations considering some of the henious ones that are being rolled out of the Hollywood money machine (such as The Lorax, which must have Dr Seuss spinning in his grave at how much it was laundered and diluted).
        We have come a long way since the dark ages, as it wasn’t too long ago that it was considered fine for a woman to have her arse patted at work, to quit her job once she married, to not be allowed inside a pub or to have to walk out the back door of a hotel because she liked to wear trousers.
        And these films aren’t really fod kids anyway, and if they were they are for boys. Most people who are fans of Tintin are young adults or older, but most of the people I saw in my cinema were adults, die-hard fans of the comic series who had waited decades to see a worthy adaptation of Herge’s work.
        I concede that the original comics can be considered sexist and racist by today’s standards (particularly the early ones, and even Herge admitted the latter about them), but they were a product of their times and need to be taken in that way.
        And if you consider for one minute that the originals need to be changed and updated for todays views, you, dear lady, have your head in the sand. Almost everytime Hollywood “updates” something, they make a pigs breakfast of it. At least in this instance, I saw an adaptation that didn’t make me want to tear my hair out in shame for ever liking the original.

  16. As you yourself mention in this piece, this movie does include two female characters: Bianca Castafiore and Tintin’s landlady. So the argument that a Martian would see this movie and assume we are a race that clones ourselves doesn’t really work.

    And anyway, there’s nothing inherently wrong with making a movie that predominantly concerns itself with a single gender. Paul Thomas Anderon’s There Will Be Blood and John Carpenter’s The Thing are exclusively about males, and first-world male problems, but that doesn’t take away from their being great movies — anymore than Bergman’s Cries and Whispers might suffer because it’s exclusively about the problems of three sisters (i.e. women).

    Yes, Tintin is a kids-friendly movie. So was Disney’s Pinocchio, and in that the only two females who had a voice of any kind were the Blue Fairy and Cleo the fish, while the rest of the movie was about males who abused, exploited and tried to kill each other. But it’s still a classic, and a masterpiece.

    And if you’re questioning Spielberg’s views on women, I recommend The Sugarland Express, Something Evil and The Color Purple, all of which are anchored by strong female protagonists. I also recommend a close examination of Melinda Dillson’s character in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Embeth Davidtiz’s character in Schindler’s List, Frances O’Connor’s character in A.I., and Emily Watson’s character in War Horse, among several other examples.

    • Hi Adam,

      Bianca and Tintin’s landlady (nameless) must be having a lot of sex.

      There is nothing inherently wrong with making a movie that features just one gender, its the predominance of those movies that is the problem. It stereotypes and limits both genders, especially females.

      many of these movies are great: Nemo is great, Toy Story is great, Ratatouille is great; these films ALSO leave females out.

      Thanks for letting me know about Pinnochio, I’ll add that to my list of kids movies with no females.

      I don’t think Spielberg is a misogynist, I think he doesn’t know what its like to be a girl and he’s not imaganining that perspective enough.

      MM

  17. You keep focusing on how sexist American and Hollywood still are as you focus solely on women, because, you course, you ARE a woman! You say Hollywood keeps making kids movies that say that boys are more important to girls, but the reality is that is how YOU are reading it and how you want to see it. The reality is, studies have shown time and again that the way public schools in America function is actually detrimental to boys and young men and the way they think, function and learn. Boys, many many times more often than girls, are left behind in school and there are increasingly more and more girls going to college and less boys. A large majority of college-attendees are now girls. Girls have plenty of support today telling them they’re important, they can accomplish whatever they want, they can do everything a boy can do. The reality is that in our modern time there became as much equality between boys/girls and men/women as realistically possible. Pretty soon women became more equal than men. Girls more equal than boys. The focus shifted. Women found their voice. So don’t sit here telling us there is too much in America telling us boys are more important than girls. EVERYTHING points to the contrary. Girls have plenty of media that caters SOLELY to them. If anything, young boys need to be reminded of their importance and be shown better role models and given more emotional support while they grow up. You have everything backwards, you dumb, irrational, zealous feminist.

    PS Nobody I watched this movie with, boys, girls, men or women noticed this lack of women. Do you know why you noticed it? Because you focus on it in your life. You look for these things and try to find meaning that’s not there. You’re the same as all the people who post on the IMDB forums accusing movies of being racist because there are no black people. You have a chip on your shoulder that you need to break off. You’ve been owned.

    • Hi Oliver,

      I wish these facts were just my opinion. Women don’t make it past 16% in power positions in most professions all across the board. Women are half the students in med school, law school, art school etc but it doesn’t translate to equal status or pay beyond education.

      That no one you saw Tintin with noticed the lack of girls only shows how used to invisible females we are. Do you think if the movie had all female characters you might have noticed?

      Here are some stats, More at the Geena Davis institute on Gender and Media:

      Women are 51% of the U.S. population

      Over half of college graduates but less than a quarter of full professors and a fifth of college presidents are female

      Women are 50% of new entrants to the profession, but less than a fifth of law firm partners, federal judges, law school deans, and Fortune 500 general counsels

      Only 16% of protagonists in film are female.

      The female characters in G rated movies are just as likely to wear revealing clothing as in R rated movies.

      Women make up 8% of all writers of major motion pictures.

      Women are 17% of all executive producers

      95% of top grossing Hollywood films directed by men

      Women are 2% of all cinematographers

      Women are 7% of film directors

      In 84 years, 4 women have been nominated for best director, only one has won

      2012 Academy Award nominations, 98% movies directed by men, 84% written by men, 70% starring men

      77 percent of Oscar voters are male.

      Women and girls are the subject of less than 20% of news stories.

      Women make up 14% of all guest appearances on the influential Sunday television talk shows; among repeat guests, only 7% are women.

      Only 15% of the authors on the The New York Times best seller list for nonfiction are women.

      Only about 20% of op-eds in America’s newspapers are by women.

      Women hold only 15.2% of seats on the boards of Fortune 500 companies.

      In the financial services industry, 57% of the workers are women but 2% tof the CEO’s are female

      Women are one third of M.B.A. classes and 2% of Fortune 500 CEOs

      16 % of board directors and corporate officers

      Only 7.5% of the major earners at those Fortune 500 companies are female.

      Only 3% of advertising’s creative directors are women.

      Women are 50% of divinity students but 3 percent of the pastors of large congregations in protestant churches that have been ordaining women for decades

      Women are just 19% of partners in law firms.

      Women represent 17% of the United States Congress.

      There are currently only six female governors (12%)

      23.6% of state legislators are women

      9% of Mayors are women in largest 100 cities in U.S.

      U.S. ranks 71st in the world in female legislative representation, behind Bangladesh, Sudan and United Arab Emirates

      Throughout our history only four women have held the office of Supreme Court Justice.

      There has never been a female President of the United States.

      MM

      • First of all, your “stats” (even though I doubt the authenticity of some of them) are extremely biased and skewed but also misrepresented. Women are only the subject of 20% of news stories? That’s because most news stories are about PEOPLE. Groups of people. If you notice, “men” aren’t even a freaking group allowed to be discussed in news storys! Or men. It’s never “One man died in a fire” it’s ALWAYS an occupation such as “One firefighter” or “One office worker”. “Women and children” are constantly victimized in newspapers but you’ll never hear a sympathetic newstory that discusses a group of men that died. It’s always a “group of soldiers” or something similar. Men are the invisible group that doesn’t actually exist. That’s why boys are being left behind in school. Nobody cares anymore about men because of people like YOU that have the attitude that women and girls are such victims in a hurtful society. The reality is, women and girls are much more equal than men in American society to pursue virtually ANYTHING they want. Anything at all. A woman can go to school and become a lawyer, or she can stay home her whole life with the kids. What happens when a man decides to be stay at home? It’s considered weird. Abnormal. He is judged. What happens when a man acts feminine and has many feminine traits? He’s judged and made fun of. But when a woman acts masculine and has masculine qualities nobody bats an eye. Women have way more support today than men in every conceivable way. 90% of homeless men on the street are men. Why? Because there is way more government support and shelters for women. Girls in school talk to counselors much more than boys because support systems in school are tailored that way; never in a way developed so that boys are comfortable getting support.

        People like you that revolve your life around feminism and conquering sexism are CONSTANTLY seeing it, looking for it and letting it consume you. The fact is, women have EVERY SINGLE opportunity to be any of those professions that you listed. It’s a matter of choice. The reason men “still make more money on average” than women is because men consistently choose to take jobs that pay more, which usually means they are either more dangerous, or much more of a life/time commitment. The simple fact is, women and men are different. We’re wired different, we think different, we act different and have different strengths and weakness. There IS NO true equality between men and women because our sexes simply aren’t fully equal and never will be. For example, way more men are carpenters, right? That’s because men are typical stronger and built better for the job. But if a woman comes along and is strong and proves she is built for the job, she will be hired. But this will reflect the stats why a very small percentage of women are carpenters.

        Evolutionarily, many women are taken over by motherly instincts once they get pregnant and want to start a family with a man. Feminists view this as a bad, archaic thing when it’s not. A majority of women want to work, yes, but not hold jobs that will consume their lives. Instead they hold jobs that will allow them to also be there for their children. Men of course like being with their children, but their evolution tends to lead them down ambitious paths that let them provide for their family most. THAT is why your statistics reflect what they do. Of course a small percentage of women would want to be in congress: it’s almost life sacrificing. Men are more willing to do that for some reason. Same thing with film directors. YOU HAVE NO LIFE WHILE YOU’RE DIRECTING A FILM. The film IS your life.

        It’s not about society not allowing women to have these positions. It’s the majority of women don’t want to have them or fall into roles that don’t allow for it. Either way, it’s their choice. And THAT, I believe, is what really pisses people like you off. Men and women are often wired to pursue different things. There are many that break away from that wired mindset, but the majority don’t. Women have every right and opportunity to do what men do. If they don’t, it’s THEIR CHOICE. Deal with it.

        • Hi Oliver,

          This is my favorite part of your comment: “Evolutionarily, many women are taken over by motherly instincts once they get pregnant and want to start a family with a man.”

          MM

          • This is my favorite:
            “90% of homeless men on the street are men. Why?”

            Because men, homeless or not, are typically male? ;)

  18. MAYBE IT’S BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT TO PUT FEMALE CHARACTERS. END OF STORY. NO NEED TO READ TOO MUCH INTO THIS. AND AS FAR AS THAT RACISM IS CONCERNED, THAT IS SOME SERIOUS CRITICAL DAMAGE. AGREED, SIR.

  19. I think perhaps we’ve taken Hergé’s statement a bit out of context. As someone who is bilingual in French and English, I can say that this quote shouldn’t be taken as a direct translation:

    “for me, women have nothing to do in a world like Tintin’s, which is the realm of male friendship”

    What he’s attempting to say here is that the stories are about male friendship and misadventures, and in this world of a young boy (Tintin), he isn’t paying attention to females.

    It’s somewhat akin to The Babysitters Club series, for example. Sure, there were occasional male characters that popped up, but only peripherally, and only as people who were boyfriends. The world was that of girls, coming of age, and their friendships and adventures.

    I certainly don’t doubt that the time and era played a role in this, but as a female, I hardly see this particular issue being overly problematic. That said, some of the comments you received certainly are. :-)

  20. No offense and you’re no doubt an intelligent person but I think you’re looking too deep.

    Mind you, Herge had his share of fuckups like how he portrayed African Americans in that Tintin in Africa story and well, if he was a myosginist, I can see the problem. But for this film, I think you’re looking at the film way too deep for its own good. Spielberg’s a huge fan of the books. Plain and simple, he wanted to make something good with it and well, he seemed to have succeeded. But I guess he didn’t add a female character either because he didn’t see the need or he felt had he did that, he’d try to find a way without having the choice feel forced.

    There are compromises in story decisions. But I should point out this, Nella of Team Nostalgia Chick is a huge fan of Tintin now..and she doesn’t seem to mind the lack of female protagonists.

    http://agentanachronism.dreamwidth.org/7766.html

  21. A response to the “he was a product of his time” comments: yes, but so were other writers whose work fully included girls. A prime example is L. Frank Baum, author of the Oz book series, (written 1901-1919). Sadly, most people today are only familiar with the film and with spin-offs like _Wicked_, but the original books presented a very girl-centric universe. In addition to Dorothy, there is Princess Ozma, a courageous, high-minded and adventurous leader who everyone initially _thinks_ is a boy!

    Ozma and Dorothy are the heroines of 7 additional books in the series, and other Oz books feature the wild and witty Patchwork Girl, Billina the tough talking hen, Polychrome the mischievous Rainbow’s Daughter, and a host of other memorable females. Even the villains in Oz-world tend to be female. Best of all ,the true power source in Oz is sorceress Glinda, not the bubble dwelling, bubble headed blond of the movie, but a wise and mighty counselor and friend to Dorothy and Ozma.

    So rather than worry about sticking extraneous girls into the Tintin or Tolkien stories, why not film wonderful, unjustly forgotten stories like these that already have girls in them?

    • Hi Lesley,

      I would be absolutely thrilled if Spielberg, or someone talented in Hollywood, made movies about Ozma, Billina, and Dorothy. My point was not to stick “extraneous girls into Tintin” but that Hollywood leaves girls out. Tintin is one example of many and noteable because its creator specifically said he didn’t thik females shoudl beincluded in his imaginary world. I just want to see heroic females who are the centers of narratives.

      Margot

  22. There is no question Hergé was sexist, he lived in the 40s-50s remember. But there are more interesting female characters in Tintin than you think. Bianca Castafiore, Irma, are quite fun too. There is no female equivalent of Tintin, but then there is only one Tintin. And his character is so blank and asexual that any reader can identify with him, girls as well. I know I used to think I was him.

    As for Spielberg copying Herge’s views, well, let’s say I’m more bothered when women are pictured as princesses, shopaholic, stupid girls for whom marriage is the ultimate goal in life…, as when they are not portrayed at all. Basically, I’d say that all Disney’s princess movies are far more dangerous for genders equality than Tintin.

    • Magnum,

      I wrote an entire post about excusing Herge’s sexism as a product of his times. My concern is not Herge, its kids in 2012 and what they are learning when Hollywood keeps showing them that boys are more important than girls.

      I’m not looking for “interesting female characters” or “feisty” sidekicks. I’m looking for females, front and center, the stars of the movie, the narrative is her quest, the movie is titled for her, males may help her along with multiple other females to reach her goal.

      As far as your last comment, its like when people defend the sexist Friends Lego,saying its not Monster High. Isthis the standard we are measuring up against? My choices are no females or stupid females?

      Margot

      • Yea, but the simple fact is boys won’t go and see a movie with a girl lead for the most part whereas girls will go see a movie with a boy lead. That probably has something to do with the type of movies that have girl leads these days – Disney used to be good at this – I don’t think any boy would have balked at ‘That Darn Cat’ because the main character was a girl, but nowadays girl movies are so obviously girlie that boys just won’t go.
        As a longtime fan of Tintin, I would be horrified if they tried adding a major character (female or male) who was not present in the books. Tintin doesn’t need a ‘love interest’ nor a female sidekick. If you want to see a girl cartoon, do watch the Powerpuff girls and leave Tintin alone.

        • Hi Victor,

          The whole ‘boys won’t see movies with a girl lead but girls will go see movie with a boy lead’ is a load of crap. I don’t know how to put it more clearly. If movies starred girls doing cool, heroic acts, not brushing their hair and staring into mirrors, boys would be happy to see them. The only reason girls are even iterested in those movies is becase they want to see girls SOMEWHERE. And one more time– I am not suggesting Tintin get a love interest or a sidekick! I am suggesting that Hollywood make more movies with girls. I am pointing out that currently, Hollywood doesn’t think girls are important at all, as evident by the making of Tintin.

          Margot

  23. Hey “four_minutes” and “margotmagowan”, try learning the difference between the letter and the spirit of a work. Spielberg’s intention was to stay faithful to the spirit of Tintin within the context of a film narrative. Combining two books and tweaking/distilling extraneous plot points is altering the letter, not the spirit, to achieve a coherent film narrative.

    Throwing in major female characters that never existed in the books just to appease interest groups would be altering the spirit in a huge way. That would make Tintin’s core fanbase very unhappy. Spielberg wanted to please the Tintin fans, not the interest groups. Deal with it.

    I support the inclusion of more respectable female leads in media (if you need examples, I love the current My Little Pony cartoon and I’m interested in Gravity Rush for the PlayStation Vita) but I do not support the pushy, screechy, dishonest attitude displayed by blog rantings such as this.

    • ApparatusMini,

      The main point of my screechy blog was to show that an artist who believed females have no place in his imaginary world is consistent with the casts of most animated films made today. To the point that viewers no longer even notice the lackof females.

      Margot

  24. Having read a number of the original comics, I think that the ‘it wouldn’t be nice to mock women’ refers mostly to the fact that Herge mocks /all/ his characters. I swear, Snowy’s the most intelligent one in the bunch sometimes. When a character is shown to be more capable, it’s usually at the expense of another.

    It’s not ‘nice’; it’s not to be emulated; but I see no reason to suggest that the film ‘needs’ a female character. It’s like insisting that they need a female cast member on ‘Impractical Jokers’.

    • Hi Oniya,

      I don’t understand why Herge believes female characters ought to be treated so differently than all the other characters, even dogs? And for that matter, why not a female dog?

      As far as “insisting” Herge include women, I wasn’t only writing about Herge, but the implications of Hollywood adapting his sexist art/ views in a movie in 2012 and video games and probably other products as well. Remarkably, Herge’s exclusion of female characters is pretty consistent with the casts of most kids movies made today.

      Margot

  25. Margot, you are aware that Hergé wrote most of his comic books (including the three on which the film is based) before WWII, at a time when women in his home country of Belgium as in many others didn’t even have the right to vote? Of course his work reflects the prejudices of that era, not only towards women but towards just about everyone who wasn’t a white Christian male (the most egregious example being Tintin in the Congo)!

    • Hi Larry,

      Herge’s work reflects the sexism of his time and those views are adapted to a movie in 2012, a video game, and possibly more products and toys. Do you think Hollywood would make a movie in 2012 that reflected Herge’s racist views about the Congo and market it to kids?

      Margot

      • I also think it’s important to note that Spielberg took a large amount of creative liberty in making the film – merging the plotlines of two comic books, leaving out entire parts of those original plotlines, etc. In that sense, he wasn’t faithful to the original comic book anyway, but made major adaptations to (presumably) make the story screen- and audience-friendly.

        So there is really no reason why the film had to remain faithful to the gender bias of the original comic book. I’m not saying additional female characters should have been invented, but more visibility could easily have been given to the existing ones.

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